A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

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A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby polymer » 28 Mar 2011, 16:16

Reformed from a new Epson v30 on sale 60 bucks. All of the parts are sticked together by double-sided tape,
most parts are made by thin alumni plates (easy to handle without special tools), or some old audio cassettes from yard sale
as support rack. It is a little crappy, but it works, I don't have enough energy and time to make a feeding system, so I just
hold the book by hands, it is a good exercise, I am getting stronger. It is a little slow, I am not sure if I should use a camera,
maybe a camera is much faster. The scan head has been cut off a lot, so the blind zone is just 7/32 inch, it will never hurt
any book spine, but it hurts my spine after I hold book like that for a long time :) Hope it can give some insights for someone
who want to build a flatbed scanner.
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A naked scanner stripped from Epson v30
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Scanner in work
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby Misty » 28 Mar 2011, 16:21

Wow! Now this is an interesting build.

How long does the average page scan take? My guess is a camera would be faster. Can you post a sample page scan? I'd love to see what it looks like. I could see lighting being a potential problem, given that scanners are normally designed around more standardized/uniform lighting, but I could well be wrong.
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby polymer » 28 Mar 2011, 23:17

Misty wrote:Wow! Now this is an interesting build.

How long does the average page scan take? My guess is a camera would be faster. Can you post a sample page scan? I'd love to see what it looks like. I could see lighting being a potential problem, given that scanners are normally designed around more standardized/uniform lighting, but I could well be wrong.


It is about 3-4 pages for one minute (300dpi Grayscale), it is really slow. It has its own lighting, probably it is not a problem, I did not post a picture when it is really working last time.
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When it is really working.
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sample page
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby daniel_reetz » 28 Mar 2011, 23:23

Really impressive work, I hope it inspires a whole new class of scanner mods. Looks to me like you could use some kind of foot-pedal system to raise the book and hold it against the glass.
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby Misty » 29 Mar 2011, 11:34

It looks quite good. I guess the high power of the scanner's own lamp is mitigating the extra environmental lighting a bit. If you don't mind, I'd be interested in seeing a colour scan of something that contains colour - especially an uncompressed/losslessly compressed scan of a decent resolution.

3-4 pages a minute is slower than a camera rig would be able to get, but I see some potential here for scanning things that wouldn't look as good with a camera, or scanning at very high resolutions.
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby polymer » 29 Mar 2011, 21:34

Misty wrote:It looks quite good. I guess the high power of the scanner's own lamp is mitigating the extra environmental lighting a bit. If you don't mind, I'd be interested in seeing a colour scan of something that contains colour - especially an uncompressed/losslessly compressed scan of a decent resolution.

3-4 pages a minute is slower than a camera rig would be able to get, but I see some potential here for scanning things that wouldn't look as good with a camera, or scanning at very high resolutions.


Please see attached color sample page, I am not sure what the red line crossing the page is, sometimes it could be green or blue, sometimes it is there, sometimes it is not.
Maybe it is because when I first start to reform Epson v30, I have no experience, so I also disassembled scan head. It was totally messed up, since I have no professional tools
to assemble them together again correctly, it starts to have this problem. I just aligned the lens and CCD sensor by using a transparency, a LED light bar from a abandoned
scanner, and a markup, it is not perfectly aligned, but it finally gets to work. Therefore, if you don't have tools, do not take off the lens from the CCD sensor, it is hard to
align up them again without using some professional instruments. Or it could be the glass, since it is not the original glass (too small for this purpose), I just bought a piece of
junk glass from Lowe's, maybe its optical properties are not qualified for scanner, I can see some scratches on the glass. It is not perfect, but it works, I have scanned a few technical
books, and you can see what it looks like in my Kindle DX.
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Color sample page
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby Misty » 30 Mar 2011, 11:04

I've seen lines like that show up in scanner images before, especially old scanners and modded scanners - see the artifacts in Dario Morelli's DIY scanner camera on Flickr. (And for good measure, a photo of the scanner in the field - looks awesome, doesn't it?) Could be an artifact caused by wear, or a result of the array getting overloaded on that particular line.

It looks quite nice, even if it's a bit noisy and dark with some black crushing. I haven't seen V30 scanned images before, so I don't know whether those are normal qualities out of this scanner or if it has to do with the lighting environment or something.

It looks like it displays great on your Kindle! Do you binarize/Scan Tailor process, or is the Kindle using images straight out of the scanner?
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Re: A flatbed scanner from Epson v30

Postby polymer » 30 Mar 2011, 17:56

Misty wrote:I've seen lines like that show up in scanner images before, especially old scanners and modded scanners - see the artifacts in Dario Morelli's DIY scanner camera on Flickr. (And for good measure, a photo of the scanner in the field - looks awesome, doesn't it?) Could be an artifact caused by wear, or a result of the array getting overloaded on that particular line.

It looks quite nice, even if it's a bit noisy and dark with some black crushing. I haven't seen V30 scanned images before, so I don't know whether those are normal qualities out of this scanner or if it has to do with the lighting environment or something.

It looks like it displays great on your Kindle! Do you binarize/Scan Tailor process, or is the Kindle using images straight out of the scanner?


The image is processed with Scan Tailor, if there are only texts or formula in the page, I will just binarize it, and use cbj2 to convert it into djvu. If there are also photos in the page, I will use mixed mode, and check if Scan Tailor can find the photo region correctly, otherwise I will do it by myself, since most parts of the technical books are texts or formula, it will not be too much work to crop out the photos. For mixed pages, I use didjvu (http://code.google.com/p/didjvu/downloads/list) to convert them into djvu. Since I found DjVuLibre doesn't really do separation of text and photos as foreground and background that is the key feature of djvu, only some commercial softwares do it, that is how they make living. Honestly, I don't think the Document Express Desktop by Caminova did a good job, it is slow, and sometimes some pages are lost that drives me crazy. So, how do you know which page is binarized and which is mixed? very easy! the file size is different :) So, if the file size is smaller than certain value, the shell script runs cbj2, otherwise didjvu. After all the pages are combined as a djvu book, I have to export it as pdf for kindle, usually the pdf file is much bigger, then I have to use Adobe acrobat to do OCR (include downsampling), and save again, the pdf file can be largely reduced, Actually I do not really need OCR, it just forces the pdf into higher version 1.6 and do the downsampling, so to reduce the size. The procedure is a little complicated, but finally I got very small size (relatively, ~10Mb for binarized-only 500-paged book, ~30Mb for books with some photos) pdf book. Before I can figure this procedure out, some pdf files converted from djvu are ridiculously big, the djvu file is just 10Mb, and the pdf file could be 200Mb, it is such a disaster. Or you can use Windjview and Acrobat pdf printer to convert djvu into pdf, the file size is also small, but I don't like the margin it added to pages, I have cut off all the margins in Scantailor to give a maximum reading area for Kindle. So, WinDjview is my last resort. I hope one day Kindle can read djvu directly, so I don't have to do this any more, it is really painful. I hope these information are useful for someone who want to make ebooks for kindle. I have to say that building didjvu could be very painful too, but finally I made it. Now, I just scan book, and run the shell script, then read book in Kindle. Please see attached shell script file, you might get some ideas how it works. I have to say I know nothing about shell script, I just copy and paste everywhere to make it work, maybe it doesn't look very professional. For this script, I put even pages and odd pages into different folders, I only scan one side at one time, so you don't have to flip book back and forth to save time, does that make sense? I think so.
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